Celebrating the release of Zubz’s latest single “Power” from the “Last Letta to Nina Simone” project, we delve into its inspiration and significance within the narrative. Rooted in Nina Simone’s legacy, “Power” is a reflection on strength and empowerment in today’s context. Zubz, alongside collaborators Mizi and Nyambz, combines Nina’s “Sinnerman” with contemporary themes of political turmoil and resilience. In this interview, Zubz shares insights into his diverse upbringing and its influence on his lyrical depth. He discusses balancing intricate rhymes with meaningful messages and his role in the evolving African hip-hop scene. With a background in Information Systems and Economics, Zubz brings a unique perspective to music, bridging technology and storytelling. Looking ahead, he promises more engaging projects and collaborations, inviting listeners to join him on a transformative journey through music.
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Congratulations on the release of your new single “Power” from the “Last Letta to Nina Simone” passion project! Could you tell us about the inspiration behind the song and how it fits into the broader narrative of the project?
Thank you! We’re excited that the song is out, it’s the perfect way to introduce the project to listeners. “Power”, like the entire collection of songs on The Last Letta to Nina, is inspired by the life, music and work of Nina. She put her humanity first, so we also centered the human experience in our storytelling. Mizi, Nyambz and I believe in that power of storytelling; its ability to heal, not just inform or entertain. So we harness that and use Nina Simone as the fulcrum around which these conversations are had. We explore various subject matter through the music first, then extend the conversations across different platforms and modalities including live events, podcasts, video, artwork and more.
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“Power” draws inspiration from Nina Simone’s “Sinnerman.” How did you approach interpreting such an iconic piece of music, and what message did you aim to convey through your interpolation?
I see Sinnerman as a beautiful ode to strength, an urgent appeal to the highest power for that strength. It’s a prayerful search, an affirmation and commitment all at once. When I heard Mizi’s sonic take, I loved the sparse, bass-heavy beat, with the pacey hi-hats! It informed my flow but also the direction of the writing.
Mizi placed Nina’s words, “How I love you, Lord” into the beat, Nyambz and I both heard “Power” in the sample. That became our core theme. From there, the words channeled through, as I touched on political, physical, and spiritual empowerment. I feel like in the current climate, these themes are particularly relevant given that it’s a huge election year. It’s also a time when a lot of folks feel alone and helpless. We even have people sitting in literal darkness for hours on end without power to their homes. “Power” becomes a song that highlights some of these struggles, attempting to offer empathy and maybe even a solution: to go within. I believe only deep, inner empowerment is truly indelible.
Collaborating with Mizi and Nyambz on the production of “Power” must have been an enriching experience. Can you share with us how the collaboration came about and what each member brought to the creative process?
I’ve worked with Nyambz and Mizi before as my core producers on my second album, Headphone Music In A Parallel World, which many believe is my most layered body of work. Working with them again years later, was more enriching for me because both of them have grown so much. They have a stronger desire to impact their community with their efforts. I fed off that growth and desire. It was Nyambz and Mizi who conceptualized the entire collaboration, championing it through the years and never letting up when the process weighed us down. A project can do that sometimes; be a slow, labored birth, but its beauty at the end justifies all the effort put in, as this one does.
Super producers in their own right, Mizi bounces ideas off Nyambz who then builds off of them. It also happens in reverse too, with Nyambz often sparking an idea. Nyambz is great at crafting that idea further, bringing in instrumentalists and vocalists. This usually happens after I’ve fleshed out a track lyrically. All three of us then go through a period of adding or removing elements in an iterative way, as directed by the spirit of the song. Nyambz will then bring it to life and Mizi will give it the rubber stamp. In this instance, Nyambz reached out to Rizzlah Rejazz to bring the concept to life – understanding the vision and brief, he masterfully took the song to the next level.
While they both contribute sonically to the music and its arrangement, it’s actually the energies they bring that I value the most. Both are grounded, solid guys who anchor the creative process. I trust them completely. They are open to go where the music leads without reservation. Both are honest, both are brave too. They will imagine wildly, then execute diligently — I appreciate that a lot
Your career spans multiple countries and has seen you evolve as an artist. How has your upbringing in Zambia and Zimbabwe influenced your musical style and lyrical content, especially in “Power”?
Growing up against such a diverse backdrop has really been an eye-opener for me. With most of my family in Zambia, that will always be my rooted home, yet I have so far spent the least amount of time there!
Experiencing my formative years in the 80s and 90s in Zim built my foundational view of what urban Southern Africa promised, it was also where I fell in love with US Hip Hop.
And finally, becoming a man in South Africa and building my own legacy here has infused me with purpose. The greatest gift from such a background, I think is the firsthand experience of our similarities as people. We are so much more alike than you can imagine. That insight is what I bring into my writing and storytelling, not just in “Power”, but the whole project. It’s why I encourage people to travel more, or broaden their dating horizons or work across industries. The depth of insight that comes from a wider spectrum of lived experiences is invaluable, not just for creatives, but for everyone really.
An example is the promise of the flag I mention in “Power”. Those colours are shared across the countries I call home, as is the meaning they have and their promise.
As someone known for their meticulous attention to lyrical detail, how do you balance crafting intricate rhymes with conveying meaningful messages, particularly in a song like “Power”?
That’s a tricky question to answer because that nuanced balance comes as second nature after you’ve done this for as long as I have. I don’t even think about it as I write anymore. For me, it works a bit like this interview; I don’t plan for it. I don’t pre-empt anything. In the moment, I allow whatever is true to come out.
For example, in “Power” I didn’t think about writing on the promise of the flag, leading into education then into linking that to writing hooks in songs. I didn’t plan the rhyme-structure either. It all just emerges as I allow it to, that’s why I call this part of the process channeling more than writing. Now, of course, after the entire verse is written (usually in a single sitting) I will revisit it and double-check facts, maybe edit a word or two as I record, for example, if they don’t roll-off the tongue easily. Practice gets the writing better, channeling takes care of the messaging. The balance truly is an emergent property of the process.
“Power” is just one piece of your extensive musical legacy. How does it compare to your previous work, and what do you hope listeners take away from it?
I hope listeners can identify with the spirit of Nina in “Power”. This song falls right in line with most of my musical catalog; socially aware, heavily lyrical, dense, and layered in the messaging. It’s important to me that all the collaborators, Miza, Nyambz, the musicians and featured artists, everyone, all colour this project in a unique way that none of us have before. This, thanks to the Nina influence. I’m hoping listeners find their own piece of Nina in these songs and own it. A piece that resonates with their story. One that can also move them as it did us.
In addition to your music, you’ve also ventured into television hosting and voice acting. How do these experiences inform your approach to music creation and presentation?
I have been quite lucky with all these multi-platform experiences. I would have never imagined I’d be performing on a stage in front of thousands, much less hosting a television show screened to millions or even voicing works reaching even more people than that. But that is the magic of creation. You really have no idea what the many pit-stops along the journey will be. You show up as the most authentic version of yourself and allow the experience to unfold.
Working both behind and in front of camera has broadened my skillset as a writer in unexpected ways, much like voicework has too. The most profound way is in the setting aside of ego, because in those spaces, you are not the star of the show. You are a fungible component in a machine with hundreds of components, all vital to getting us to the desired outcome. There is heavy, at times brutal critique in that space, none of it personal, even when it seems that way. As a creator learning to tame the ego in this way is extremely difficult to do, but once you acquire this ability you stretch beyond what you thought were your limits. I’m grateful for that. I also got to add some incredible people to my network of dope creatives, too.
With the African hip-hop landscape constantly evolving, how do you see your role as an artist within this dynamic environment, especially with projects like “Last Letta to Nina Simone”?
Hip-Hop, as always, is ever evolving. This constant refresh reflects the changes in the culture and its key players. Changes in the moments we live collectively and as individuals. African hip-hop is not exempt from this evolution. I believe my role is evolving along with that, into one that serves to bridge eras, tell modern stories through a more experienced lens. “The Last Letta to Nina Simone”, is a perfect example of this; timeless music, always relevant even when it isn’t trendy.
Africa has a lot to teach us, I will continue to learn from those lessons. The evolution of technology will hit African creatives in a unique way going forward. I’m eager to play my part in that wave too. I’m excited about the future of African Hip Hop: new storytellers with fresh narratives delivered in innovative ways.
Your academic background in Information Systems and Economics is quite unique in the world of hip-hop. How, if at all, does this academic expertise influence your music and creative process?
My academic slant reflects my love for tech. I’ve always been fascinated by how we integrate tools into our society to make it better. Our use of tools is one of the things that sets us apart from all creation. That and our ability to tell stories. In our toolbox we use mechanical tools, hardware, software, I like to add music, art and storytelling into that box as well. This is where the overlap happens. I have come to call that intersection in this Venn diagram my home. I never realised this when I was younger, of course. I just went to school and loved to rap! With time I have come to see all this come together in a beautiful way.
Earlier you asked about the line between meticulous writing and messaging, I feel like my obsession with systems thinking might also be responsible for me walking that writing/messaging line. To be fair, though, most artists I known bring multiple facets of themselves to the creation table. This is more so with Emcees. I know qualified, practicing architects, doctors, lawyers and even a brain surgeon who are all avid rappers and writers.
Looking ahead, what can fans expect from Zubz The Last Letta in terms of future projects and collaborations, and how do you envision your artistic journey unfolding from here?
It’s hard to ask people to prepare for something you can’t predict. I’d say, stay connected where you can and stay open. I’m 20+ years deep in this game and still learning, discovering knew things. Even as I go back, as we’re doing with Nina, I discover exciting ways to move forward. Let’s do that together.
We have a ton more music to put out, but we would like the engagement around our songs to be more conversational; two-way and where we can, in-person. And we can’t wait!
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